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A tootheache has a great impact upon consciousness which does a lot to dispel the independent status conjecture of mind and body. That is not much of a philosophical position to me. When evidence as powerful as this is presented by conciousness prioritists, then I will think again. But that is not likely, since that position adopts the position that such evidence is not available due to the nature of consciousness. Circular. This post assumes that you are in some way referencing the TM postings. No-one denies (or at least I am not, and MMY is not denying) that states of consciousness are predicated on physiological states. However, MMY's particular view appears to be that physiological states, like all other forms of Reality, are in turn _base_d on an underlying field of consciousness that pervades all matter/energy. Once a certain physiological state of consciousness is attained, one can directly interact with this underlying field of consciousness that is the basis of not only one's own physiology, but the basis of the Sun's physiology as well, or such appears to be his world-view. And while may not be possible [it certainly isn't *easy*] to come up with falsifiable (even in principle) tests of this world-view, it seems to be possible to at least come up with falsifiable tests of parts of it.
 
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It seems to me the requirement to reduce consciousness to physics is not a scientific requirement but rather a requirement of people with a particular philosophical bent. This is from http://www.iei.net/~burkey/context.htm To me, it is not a philosophical position, but a recognition of defined boundary. V: Unanswerable Questions As an aside, global-intersubjective knowledge also implies that there are some epistemic questions which we can't ask
 
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I didn't realise that, if you want to make it more clear that a question is only rhetorical a good idea would be to leave out the question mark. Dene, Be still, and know that I am God ! <g
 
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Loren: : Kurt: : Loren: : Kurt: : : What is matter? : : No idea, sorry.  To have a coherent and useful theory of : materialism/naturalism, maybe we only need to say that matter and : energy are at some point inscrutible posits?  I'm not sure.  But what : I am suspicious of is the attempt to define something like : consciousness as the inscrutible posit, from which our philosophical : and empirical studies are to proceed.  That seems rather more complex : and contentious to me than the materialist alternative, but of course : that doesn't make it wrong.  But it does seem to me to define away a : lot of interesting and controversial issues about what consciousness : is and how it arises. : : I don't understand why it is better (for lack of a
 
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Kurt: Loren: Kurt: What is matter? No idea, sorry.  To have a coherent and useful theory of materialism/naturalism, maybe we only need to say that matter and energy are at some point inscrutible posits?  I'm not sure.  But what I am suspicious of is the attempt to define something like consciousness as the inscrutible posit, from which our philosophical and empirical studies are to proceed.  That seems rather more complex and contentious to me than the materialist alternative, but of course that doesn't make it wrong.  But it does seem to me to define away a lot of interesting and controversial issues about what consciousness is and how it arises. I don't understand why it is better (for lack of a
 
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And while may not be possible [it certainly isn't *easy*] to come up with falsifiable (even in principle) tests of this world-view, it seems to be possible to at least come up with falsifiable tests of parts of it. It seems to me this is all that is necessary for a scientific approach. When dealing with proposals of machines consciousness, a universal field of consciousness provides a level of consistency in a way most other arguments do not.
 
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