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In thinking about how likely a statement is to be true (a frequent theme of creationists trying to argue that their unsupported views are true), I got to wondering if it is true that the complete works of Shakespeare are in the fractional decimal extension pI. To quantify the problem suppose that we break pI into 5 bit segments, enough for the 26 letters plus spaces, and basic punctuation ., !? and that he used 884,647 x 8 letters and spaces giving about 7,000,000 characters which would require about 9,000,000 _base_10 numbers. So will I find that exact sequence of 9,000,000 numbers somewhere in pI? No. Also (for fun), if I actually found that sequence, or perhaps the one corresponding to the New Testament, would that be proof that God exists and evolution is false? Yes and no. Why did you _link_ the two? Also (for fun), if I actually found that sequence, or perhaps the one corresponding to the New Testement, would that be proof that God exists and evolution is false? Yes and no. Why did you _link_ the two? and THE RECORD'S STUCK, THE RECORD'S STUCK, THE RECORD'S STUCK Record?? You must be an old timer like me. That reminds me. Ever get a song stuck in your head even though you don't really like it? With me it's that new song Replay with the lyrics ...like my iPod stuck on replay. Any decimal number (like pi) written as an infinite sequence of digits that eventually results in a repeating sequence of digits from some point on can be written as a rational fraction. A trivial example is 0.142857142857142857... = 1/7 I don't understand, isn't it still unproven whether pi is an infinite sequence of digits that eventually results in a repeating sequence of digits, with the heavy betting on the side of no, it never repeats? Mitchell Pi is irrational. That means that it never repeats. Presumably Paul meant pi as an example of the larger set (numbers requiring an infinite number of digits in their decimal expansion) rather than the smaller set (numbers whose decimal expansion after a certain point consists of a repeating sequence of digits). Note that we can consider all numbers to have an infinite number of digits in their decimal expansion; it's just for some of them after a certain point the digits form a repeating sequence of 0 ..
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In thinking about how likely a statement is to be true (a frequent theme of creationists trying to argue that their unsupported views are true), I got to wondering if it is true that the complete works of Shakespeare are in the fractional decimal extension pI. To quantify the problem suppose that we break pI into 5 bit segments, enough for the 26 letters plus spaces, and basic punctuation ., !? and that he used 884,647 x 8 letters and spaces giving about 7,000,000 characters which would require about 9,000,000 _base_10 numbers. So will I find that exact sequence of 9,000,000 numbers somewhere in pI? No. Pi is conjectured to be normal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_number). It seems to me that if pi is normal then that sequence will be found. If pi is not normal we don't know whether the sequence is there or not. Incorrect. Even if pi is normal the sequence will be there only with probability one. Proof of normality is therefore not good enough, it has to be shown that the sequence -really is- there. (by proof or directcomputation) Conversely, and in other words: pi can be normal without containing the new testament (or any other particular finite sequence) Jan
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In thinking about how likely a statement is to be true (a frequent theme of creationists trying to argue that their unsupported views are true), I got to wondering if it is true that the complete works of Shakespeare are in the fractional decimal extension pI. To quantify the problem suppose that we break pI into 5 bit segments, enough for the 26 letters plus spaces, and basic punctuation ., !? and that he used 884,647 x 8 letters and spaces giving about 7,000,000 characters which would require about 9,000,000 _base_10 numbers. So will I find that exact sequence of 9,000,000 numbers somewhere in pI? I thought there was a proof not only that any finite sequence can be found in the digits of pi, but also setting an upper limit to how far you have to go to find it. There was a website that would take any ASCII phrase and find it somewhere within the _base_-16 representation of pi. Also (for fun), if I actually found that sequence, or perhaps the one corresponding to the New Testament, would that be proof that God exists and evolution is false? Since you can also find the Kama Sutra (at least, in some digitized form) and all of Britney Spears' CD's somewhere in the digits of pi, I would say it proves nothing. . But can you find all X-rated videos or did God censor them? I'm certain He did. Otherwise He'd be violating copyright. God's not big on IP, as the Old Testament shows...
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Also (for fun), if I actually found that sequence, or perhaps the one corresponding to the New Testament, would that be proof that God exists and evolution is false? Yes and no. Why did you _link_ the two? Should it that be no and no. My proof does not fit in these margins.
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In thinking about how likely a statement is to be true (a frequent theme of creationists trying to argue that their unsupported views are true), I got to wondering if it is true that the complete works of Shakespeare are in the fractional decimal extension pI. To quantify the problem suppose that we break pI into 5 bit segments, enough for the 26 letters plus spaces, and basic punctuation ., !? and that he used 884,647 x 8 letters and spaces giving about 7,000,000 characters which would require about 9,000,000 _base_10 numbers. So will I find that exact sequence of 9,000,000 numbers somewhere in pI? No. Also (for fun), if I actually found that sequence, or perhaps the one corresponding to the New Testament, would that be proof that God exists and evolution is false? Yes and no. Why did you _link_ the two? Also (for fun), if I actually found that sequence, or perhaps the one corresponding to the New Testement, would that be proof that God exists and evolution is false? Yes and no. Why did you _link_ the two? and THE RECORD'S STUCK, THE RECORD'S STUCK, THE RECORD'S STUCK Record?? You must be an old timer like me. That reminds me. Ever get a song stuck in your head even though you don't really like it? With me it's that new song Replay with the lyrics ...like my iPod stuck on replay. Any decimal number (like pi) written as an infinite sequence of digits that eventually results in a repeating sequence of digits from some point on can be written as a rational fraction. A trivial example is 0.142857142857142857... = 1/7 I don't understand, isn't it still unproven whether pi is an infinite sequence of digits that eventually results in a repeating sequence of digits, with the heavy betting on the side of no, it never repeats? Mitchell Pi is irrational. That means that it never repeats. Presumably Paul meant pi as an example of the larger set (numbers requiring an infinite number of digits in their decimal expansion) rather than the smaller set (numbers whose decimal expansion after a certain point consists of a repeating sequence of digits). Note that we can consider all numbers to have an infinite number of digits in their decimal expansion; it's just for some of them after a certain point the digits form a repeating sequence of 0 .. Or 999... Jan
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P3 wasting huge amounts of time and resources on meaningless enterprizes is irrational Then how do you explain the existence of talk.origins? As it has already been proven that pi is irrational, it seems silly for me to repeat a proof that the irrational exists, at least in a Platonic sense.
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